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[powerof0ne]

I'm not going to post this video and wished I didn't watch it, myself. From what I can gather a mentally handicapped guy goes into this dojo in "'84" and claims Jesus gave him a 10th degree red belt. He actually says this in a video. The instructor and owner of the school who's name is Bobby J. Blythe is filming this while his student literally ends up more or less stomping on this guy's head that is already knocked out. I won't say anymore describing what happened because I think you get the point. I'm really at a lost of what to do with something so messed up. The individual Blythe had an account on youtube and recently took it down..or somebody did (hopefully authorities) and posted this video on there. However, others noticing how messed up it is saved it and it's posted elsewhere now. Apparently, according to Blythe he is a Marine and the individual doing the assault is too. Which he takes great pride in...

Just wondering if any of you have seen this video and your thoughts?

I'm probably not going to sleep too well tonight, now. I have the urge to go on vacation to CA to visit Blythe and his student, now.

If you haven't seen the video yet, don't.

[kakatootoshi]

I have not seen this video and I do not think I am going to, thanks for your advise.

Under no circumstances will I fight someone who is apparently mentally handicapped. If he has a knife I will just grab it and throw it away that is it.

[shinobijesus]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Under no circumstances will I fight someone who is apparently mentally handicapped. If he has a knife I will just grab it and throw it away that is it.

lol... thats a little extreme. im gonna go the opposite way and say if anybody ever has a knife and malicious intent i would break them regardless of ethnicity, mental capacity, sexual orientation, or gender. however thats a bit removed from the subject.

so whats the back story on this video? did they know the guys condition? if someone walks into a dojo making some big claims i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if the people there give the guy some extra rough treatment. in fact ive heard many stories with a bit of a braggart tone to them with that basis as the narrative.

obviously this one went way too far. when did this happen? recently? i havent seen a word about it anywhere else.

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by powerof0ne

I'm not going to post this video and wished I didn't watch it, myself. From what I can gather a mentally handicapped guy goes into this dojo in "'84" and claims Jesus gave him a 10th degree red belt. He actually says this in a video. The instructor and owner of the school who's name is Bobby J. Blythe is filming this while his student literally ends up more or less stomping on this guy's head that is already knocked out. I won't say anymore describing what happened because I think you get the point. I'm really at a lost of what to do with something so messed up.

If the group of people are truly like what you have described, they have reminded me of kids who randomly attack and kill street dwellers.

[vapor]

now now....breath....let's not debate and pick on each other....debate and comment on the topic, please!

vapor

[shinobijesus]

Originally Posted by vapor

now now....breath....let's not debate and pick on each other....debate and comment on the topic, please!

lol... this forum sometimes...

anyway so i just searched it out, turns out this happened 25 years ago in december of 1984. the guy does seem a bit touched in the head just by listening to him talk.

the backstory on this according to other posts - this guy was going around and doing strange things in a shopping center and causing general trouble. towards the end of the day he was in a napa auto parts store and told those guys he was going to go give lessons at the dojo next door. they warned him not to because they knew the instructor was a hardass. when he insisted the napa guys said they would close early to see him do it. im inferring thats what people are mentioning when they say he was baited inside.

so it goes on and instead of the instructor being a normal human being and declining this mentally challenged guys offer of letting him teach a class they humor the kid. at the start of his lesson he profusely refuses to fight and insists he will only demonstrate a kata. at that point the black belt standing across from him does an unprovoked kintegeri (sp?) right to the kids groin. a scuffle ensues and then the black belt takes it WAY too far. halfway-ish and towards the end the kid actually conceded defeat and the black belt keeps smashing on him. the head instructor isnt the least bit concerned and orders him to be dragged out back where they place him in a dumpster.

according to some other posts the mentally challenged guy survives, however he ends up in a VA mental hospital. obviously he had mental problems prior to the incident. the video itself is baffling because no one speaks up or says anything. there are 2 other men and a woman filming the incident. if anyone is so inclined this is probably a lead in to the subject of over compliance within martial arts. however this is obviously not a typical dojo.

4chan of all places, lol, has a bit of a campaign going to make life harder for the two black belts. operation holy promotion. the video is getting a lot of coverage just now because of them. some other people are campaigning to get medical records and police records after the fact and attempt to get the black belts prosecuted. they have a pretty decent case considering one of the black belts actually had to go to court recently for other criminal charges. so something may come out of this.

btw if anyone wants to see the vid i have a link to it that is still up. pm me i guess.

[Mas]

Osu,

This is a very emotional topic (as much as the video which am not even going to search for), reason being that I give lessons at a local school for children with disabilities, and its not very easy trying to make them do things even though during that 30 min or after, most of them will imitate the movements. Its only basics to assist with their reaction sensors & responces. And exercises.

I fail to understand that someone who does karate, knowing the oath and acknowledged it, be so cruel and inhuman!! Even the ones who were shooting the video what things were or are hysteical on there that they found amusing?
Unfortunately we will be commenting about this without any of those perpetrators to answer for themselves.,., for their wrong doing.

I, like Kakatooshi, would never engage myself in any fight, even if am pushed to that limit, by a mentally handicapped person. It is not of their own actions that they are doing things that they are doing, and by some form they are also human, regardlessly

[jcc]

Osu!

Just found the video and yes, it´s not pretty. I cannot believe that these guys were not prosecuted, especially since it´s all on film! Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on assault in the US?

Osu!

[sandman]

Originally Posted by jcc

Osu!

Just found the video and yes, it´s not pretty. I cannot believe that these guys were not prosecuted, especially since it´s all on film! Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on assault in the US?

Osu!

I remember hearing something in the news just a year or so ago about the government finally prosecuting some guy that was involved in some racial hate crimes back in the 1960's, so I would assume that these guys should be fair game too.

[Mas]

Originally Posted by jcc

Osu!

Just found the video and yes, it´s not pretty. I cannot believe that these guys were not prosecuted, especially since it´s all on film! Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on assault in the US?

Osu!

And to even mention that one of them (or more) were in the military , they should know the code of conduct ......

[jcc]

Originally Posted by sandman

I remember hearing something in the news just a year or so ago about the government finally prosecuting some guy that was involved in some racial hate crimes back in the 1960's, so I would assume that these guys should be fair game too.

Osu!

Well let´s hope that someone takes up this case and prosecutes these guys. They are a shame to term karate!

[kakatootoshi]

Tragedies like this should warn us against the danger of not maintaining a reasonable moral standard for the Dojo members. Kyokushin is not just fighting.

[Mas]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Tragedies like this should warn us against the danger of not maintaining a reasonable moral standard for the Dojo members. Kyokushin is not just fighting.

THE DOJO KUN

[smoothsake]

I saw the video. Fairly easy to find for anyone interested. It's disturbing, but within the means of any serious ass wooping street brawl. The "mentally handicapped" person definitely doesn't know what he's talking about, but he did demonstrate some skill - not to the level of 10th degree but he wasn't completely bad. The other guy, the Marine, instigated the fight. From the video the 10th degree actually wanted to just show kata initially until the Marine kicked him hard to fire things up, then the 10th degree even said "You got it." meaning that he was done. The Marine continued to beat him and stomp on his face while he was down on the ground.

As far as military people knowing conduct - true, but I just had a conversation with my brother who is a lawyer in the US Army and he told me about some of the cases he's working on. You'd be surprised to hear of some things that go down in the military. Trained killers, waiting to be deployed, sometimes resort to violence due to their "idle hands." Crimes happen more than you think.

[smoothsake]

3 things from the video that really stood out as criminal acts:

1. Stomping on a downed opponent's face
2. The Sensei condoning the fight and not stopping it when it was getting clearly out of control
3. Instead of tending to the bleeding victim, they dragged him out the back door

I hope they get their day in court, although from what I gather this clip is 10+ years old

[MilkManX]

I just hope that they get their dues somewhere.

Yikes.

I didnt even watch it. Sounded like it would get me riled up so I will just leave it at that.

[Dorsini]

God will punish them someday. It is dispicable to commit such an act.

[powerof0ne]

Originally Posted by smoothsake

I saw the video. Fairly easy to find for anyone interested. It's disturbing, but within the means of any serious ass wooping street brawl. The "mentally handicapped" person definitely doesn't know what he's talking about, but he did demonstrate some skill - not to the level of 10th degree but he wasn't completely bad. The other guy, the Marine, instigated the fight. From the video the 10th degree actually wanted to just show kata initially until the Marine kicked him hard to fire things up, then the 10th degree even said "You got it." meaning that he was done. The Marine continued to beat him and stomp on his face while he was down on the ground.

As far as military people knowing conduct - true, but I just had a conversation with my brother who is a lawyer in the US Army and he told me about some of the cases he's working on. You'd be surprised to hear of some things that go down in the military. Trained killers, waiting to be deployed, sometimes resort to violence due to their "idle hands." Crimes happen more than you think.

All branches of the military have "some" (I'm a bit negative so tend to think a lot) people that surprise me that they were actually allowed in.

I hear reports on rapes and murders that go on in various bases that used to shock me but I've become more "numb" to it now. I actually am cautious of many people I meet in the military outside work in a social atmosphere. I think part of this had to do with "9-11", branches lowered their standards of whom they allowed in. Within the past 6 months or so they thankfully have raised it somewhat.

I knew a guy that got discharged from the Army for pulling a knife out on his supervisor, calling up females in the units (harassing them), total disregard for authority, etc. I knew another that decided to try to drive up on Fort Bragg in complete drag minus the wig..but stockings, heels, make up, dress, etc..I had to stand guard over him to make sure he wouldn't kill himself.

I'm no genius by any means but many times I deal with people in the military that make me feel like I'm Einstein.

On the other hand, there are some great people in the military...but sadly I seem to meet "the special ones" more often.

p.s. There are also gang bangers that join the US military that even try to "represent" their gangs after they're in. I actually had a run in with some and made them change into non gang clothing and took down their names and supervisors names/phone numbers to report them. I have no patience for stupidity.

[Mitlov]

Originally Posted by jcc

Osu!

Just found the video and yes, it´s not pretty. I cannot believe that these guys were not prosecuted, especially since it´s all on film! Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on assault in the US?

Osu!

Statute of limitations for crimes such as these (and this may rise to attempted murder, not just assault) would be governed by state law, not federal law, and it varies state-by-state quite a lot. Not sure what it is in this state.

I've seen the video and I've been following Bullshido's attempts to track down the folks involved and bring them to justice. Apparently, the local sheriff was a member of this dojo at the time; other apparent crimes had occurred, though not of this severity (two students were apparently beaten for failing to bow out when leaving the dojo) and no action was taken. When you combine small town, biased law enforcement, and a probably-homeless mentally ill victim, you sometimes end up with no actions being taken despite a clearly criminal act.

For those who did not watch it, it is incredibly bad. I would encourage people to NOT watch the video; I regret doing so.

The victim was clearly mentally disabled from his speech patterns, but he seemed very peaceable. He even said "I'm not a fighter" once or twice. Think of your average taiji-for-health instructor and you've got a good idea of this guy's demeanor. The attack was not provoked by anything, but given the instructor's sarcastic tone right before the black belt's attack, it's very safe to say this assault was premeditated from before the victim walked in the door. As for the head stomping, it was BAD. We're not talking about an early-UFC soccer kick or two. With the victim's head resting on a concrete block, his assailant (who was twice his size) stomped twice, full force. The victim was left twitching, and he left a trail of blood (solid trail, not just drips) behind him as they dragged him out the back of the dojo. No one made any attempt to check his vitals or get him medical attention, and nobody seemed even surprised, not to mention concerned.

[powerof0ne]

I've been doing my own research on this as well. Separating the rumors from facts trying to more or less find out where the two are today and if anything happens to them. This has been getting a lot of coverage in the last few weeks and I hope some type of justice happens.
I barely got any sleep last night because I kept on thinking of a martial art instructor that would allow such a unwarranted use of force to happen and even support it? I read comments he had on his youtube account talking about how tough him and the attacker in the video are because they're marines....give me a break. Since when is practically killing those weaker then you anything to brag about? Even if they are "your level", when is it ever?

So, a disillusioned person tells a business next door he's going to teach martial arts at your dojo...it's alright to try to kill him?

Dragging him across the floor when you don't know if he's going to live or not was practically the worst thing you could do. You get in a car wreck and are unconscious...the only reason why I would yank you out and drag you out is if the car was on fire. You have to check vitals and stabilize the person in case of internal injuries, etc. Simple medical common sense..even in '84 (When Dent had hair still! Oops, wrong century...that was 1784).

I really hope the aggressors in this video succumb to a similar fate and wish my friend never showed me this video.

I'm not going to judge Marines by the pieces of garbage in this video. I hope others don't neither.

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