Daido Juku Grappling Techniques.

[Setsuna162]

Do Daido grappling techniques (throws, take down for more specific) work better on a gi wearing opponent? Because i see many Daido grapplings are indentical to Judo. When i read an article about Daido vs Sanda (happened a few years ago)
they said that Daido Juku fighters was not so good at standing grappling techniques so they lost to the chinese (who don't wear shirt when they train).

[powerof0ne]

Yes, they primarily train wearing a gi, a least the ones I have known. Stand up grappling echniques are different then on the ground, though and going from the gi to no-gi isn't that difficult. I think the problem was more on the Daido Juku not working as much on stand up grappling.

[ibuki]

actually Kudo fighters are very complexly developed. As far as I know the grappling techniques are in the kyu/dan grading test but they are needed from 1st dan upwards...before that only Kyokushin + blows to the head and other boxing techniques are required
Of course this doesn't mean they are not practiced by the trainees

[Shura]

You have to also remember that they were fighting under Sanda rules. Even though there doesn't seem to be much of an advantage, the Daido-juku karateka stepped into a totally different fight environment and should've taken some precautions against the Shui jiao throws and takedowns. Those things are a real pain, and you can really underestimate them at times.

[psychoshonen]

I always find the sanda vs. x-style matches interesting, most notably how certain websites portray them. In my opinion, one can only claim "victory" (though i dont believe one style is inherently better than another, more how one learns to use it) over another style if you defeat it under its own rules. I see it more as Daido-juku didnt defeat Sanda (Sanshou), rather than Sanda defeating Daido-juku.

[Kris]

In Zendokai (Japan) you need to show some grappling for the green belt. (It goes blue, yellow, green, brown).

Zendokai newaza training (ground grappling) is done sometimes in GI and sometimes in t-shirt and shorts. At a Judo tournament (with only Zendokai people) there was GI for all the first matches, then shorts and t-shirt from the semi finals and finals. The slick types wore bicycle pants and surfing style rash guard t-shirt. This to make it more difficult for the opponent to get a grip in the clothing at all.

I think this is done to stress better technique in grappling. It is more difficult to grapple someone who does not wear a GI.

[uzumaki]

I agree with Shura on this, the rules the competitors are fighting under has a lot to do with the outcome.

If the San Dan fighters fought under Daido Juku rules, they would no doubt find it very challenging.

Interestingly, in a recent competition, I was watching Muay Thai fighters fighting San Da fighters under San Da rules, and one Muay Thai team in particular was dominating in standup grappling/throws. It might be that this school focused on the standup grappling for this particular competition or perhaps that is typical of their style. Nonetheless, it was unexpected to see them so aggressive in this regard, especially in comparison to the San Da team.

IMO, Daido Juku fighters seems very well rounded in all ranges.

[Aunty Ichigeki]

Originally Posted by ibuki

As far as I know the grappling techniques are in the kyu/dan grading test but they are needed from 1st dan upwards...before that only Kyokushin + blows to the head and other boxing techniques are required
Of course this doesn't mean they are not practiced by the trainees

Does anybody have a link to a DaidoJuku syllabus or got an e-version they could send. I'd be really interested to see one

[ibuki]

Originally Posted by Aunty Ichigeki

Does anybody have a link to a DaidoJuku syllabus or got an e-version they could send. I'd be really interested to see one

OSU!
I have in Bulgarian and can be found in Russian. If this suits you you may give me an email and I will send it to you.

[Sonik]

The members of the Sanda team were all professional while the Daidojuku Karate fighters were just amateurs. Of course the rules also affect the outcome but i would like to see the Sanda fighters competing under MMA Karate rules.

[Aunty Ichigeki]

Originally Posted by ibuki

OSU!
I have in Bulgarian and can be found in Russian. If this suits you you may give me an email and I will send it to you.

O I'm afraid I only have one language and I haven't got a handy translator of those languages. Thank you very much for the offer though.

[Kudoist]

A couple of fighters from my dojo went to China to compete in a sanda tournament, a couple of years ago.
They complained that the rules gave points easily for throws whereas striking was hard to score with.
Even though some of our guys really hammered their opponents, they didn't score a KO, and as a result, lost the fight on points due to their opponent scoring a throw.
I had a similar experience competing in sanda here in Tokyo before I started Daidojuku.
So rules can deffinately influence the way a fight is enterpreted.
Sanda does have some cool throws though.
There was a sanda class being taught at the Daidojuku honbu dojo at one stage. Dont know if its still going though.

Most Daidojuku dojos teach Judo throws as part of the curricullum .
Throws arent allowed in competition however, until 4th kyu.
In open competition, both throws and ground fighting are allowed.
Some fighters come from Judo backgrounds, so its not uncommon to hear that guys also hold dan rankings in Judo.
At my dojo we dont practice Judo throws, but we do practice Muay Thai
style clinching and grappling.

[Azimuth]

Originally Posted by Aunty Ichigeki

O I'm afraid I only have one language and I haven't got a handy translator of those languages. Thank you very much for the offer though.

Ever tried this translator ?
http://translation2.paralink.com/

or this
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/product...ranslator.html

Osu

[joeyop]

i am a daido juku guy and if i may say we learn grappling since the white belt i am a blue belt now and i know all the basic judo throws also i know alot of ground fighting