"Drilling" the punch - Page 2

_Simon_ · 04-11-2007, 02:39 PM

hey guys!!! old topic i know haha but still i was curious
i've tried twisting the hand on impact onto a hard punching bag, and it hurts like hell! almost rips the skin! would this happen on a person if i was to strike and twist the hand, like hurt myself? or is my punching bag just too darn hard? lol
any other objects i can practice punching on???
cheers everyone
Osu
Simon

Spirit · 04-12-2007, 12:24 PM

What bigal is trying to explain is very difficult to write for you to understand, but he is on the correct path…

The focus on this punch is no only to twist the wrist 190 -195 degrees or so but also the elbow and shoulder as well the toes… The impact area is hit with one knuckle not 2 and the “snap” of the wrist is milliseconds before impact. It (punch) is screwed into the impact area drilling into the area deep (trying to impact all the way thru… if you hit the right ribs you are not stopping till you go straight thru hitting the left side inner ribs.
This type of punch comes from the Shuri-te one punch one kill…
It is also very effective and the only way I punch (all punching) it is the correct and only way to do Shita.
Please note as you advance you only use 1 knuckle when you punch…

BigAl · 04-16-2007, 02:05 PM

Thanks for that, Mark Sensei

Musokai3 · 05-04-2008, 01:15 AM

Another thing you want to do when you punch.

Keep you fist slightly loose until the end of the punch. Use your forearm muscles to tighten and drill your punch in.

this will give it you more velocity and power at the end.

word of caution: Practice slow on the heavy bag before you do this hard and fast or in sparring. If you don't you can sprain your wrist or fingers.

Dent · 05-04-2008, 11:20 AM

Osu!

Thanks for bringing back this thread.

Another advantage to the touch-an-twist method is the off balancing of the opponent. Done correctly, it can double as a push, setting up other techniques to follow.

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mary222 · 05-04-2008, 02:22 PM

i'm lost... or maybe i just misunderstood the topic but is there any other way to punch?? i mean if o trown a punch it is going to have a twist in it if i try to avoid the twist the punch is either really week or my elbow are going to pop out ???

Dent · 05-04-2008, 03:20 PM

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Sadly, there are as many ways to punch as there are white belts under the sky.

How to punch correctly is far more difficult, and will rely on correct body mechanics. Many do not get taught this correctly, and are floating along with a bad/ dangerous punch.

If you've been fortunate enough to have been taught those correct methods already, then you are in a good Dojo, and should probably make a point of thanking your Sensei next time you see him/ her!

Osu!

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grasshopper1486 · 05-04-2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl

One of my sempai taught me this today, it's something he learned off of Shihan Farrel. I'm not very good at it though, in fact I actually suck at it but in the two or three times I actually got it to work I could feel a difference.

Dude i don't understand how you could suck at that. That's pretty basic. It's a BASIC TECHNIQUE. if anyone else taught you to punch diferently i think that they taught you doo doo...But it's the better way to punch that way because it adds that extra dimension to the punch that makes it so devastating. Keep on practising dude

mary222 · 05-04-2008, 05:54 PM

thanks dent i will tell HER ( proud to say it but that is another topic

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Dent · 05-04-2008, 07:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grasshopper1486

Dude i don't understand how you could suck at that. That's pretty basic. It's a BASIC TECHNIQUE. if anyone else taught you to punch diferently i think that they taught you doo doo...

I strongly disagree with you. In more than three decades of training, I've come across very few people who teach the drilling technique. Many teach rotating the fist, but the deeper level of drilling is not taught as often as I'd like to see it. The outward appearance may be very similar, but it isn't the same.

Osu!

seienchin · 05-04-2008, 09:48 PM

I agree with Dent. I think we have two different things being discussed here. The basic level is the twist in the punch that most of us start to learn as beginners. The "drill" discussed by Big Al, and described with passion by Spirit, is actually something different, and is not merely a hand movement.

Musokai3 · 05-04-2008, 11:05 PM

There are ways one could suck at it.

for example. Many people believe that the punch is just from your arm. so the bigger the muscles the stronger the punch. How wrong they are.

Others tend to lead with their elbow, therefore dividing the force of the punch in two directions.

Others have a very tight fist from the start to the end of the punch. this reduces velocity and power and takes the whipping motion out of the punch.

these are just a few examples. there are more like making a good fist to how to retract you punch.

grasshopper1486 · 05-05-2008, 12:46 AM

well dude i must be pretty lucky to have had a shihan like mine cause that was the first and only way i was taught to punch. And i don't mean twisting the arm like the other guy mentioned i mean really DRILLING THE PUNCH into the target. He stressed that over and over to us begginers that was pretty basic for me

I'm sorry if i came across as chastising the guy, but it just sounded rather alien to me that a person that's training for a length of time could not do it and to top it off he said that "he sucked at it". I was like ...."Dang so what was he doing all the time ?"

So i guess it all boils down to the teacher that you come across huh ?

Dent · 05-05-2008, 02:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by grasshopper1486

well dude i must be pretty lucky to have had a shihan like mine cause that was the first and only way i was taught to punch.
So i guess it all boils down to the teacher that you come across huh ?

Bingo! If you are one of the lucky ones, then I repeat what I said to Mary222. Next time you see him, say a very special thank you. All too often we take our teachers for granted, and we don't realize what we have until it's gone.

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MaximNYC · 05-06-2008, 08:31 PM

roatet the elbow outward

Surfer_Sam · 07-19-2008, 12:05 PM

I think you are talking about Kagi-Tsuki.

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Nix · 07-19-2008, 01:29 PM

Hello Surfer_Sam! How about formally introducing yourself? Create a new thread here, and await a flood of warm welcomings!

amokbel · 08-01-2008, 01:47 PM

OSU

I have yet to read about the full technique of a proper punch. I read about friction, snapping the punch, etc.

We are taught that while kicking, one must twist the knee in order to experience full strength and also prevent injury to the static knee.

However, one must consider that POWER comes from our CORE (or hips) and that if you use your hips in your strikes, you will definitely experience a lot of more with less effort.

It's like a whip really.

So, the initial strength must originate from the core. As you twist your hips, the rest of the body follows and you'll find that you transfer more weight (hence power) when you deliver the strike which is devastating.

I'll finish my comment by saying: looking at how Kyokushin fighters punch compared to boxers or kickboxers and see if you can detect that tiny difference in technique that makes a huge difference in a fight.

OSU

BigAl · 08-05-2008, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grasshopper1486

well dude i must be pretty lucky to have had a shihan like mine cause that was the first and only way i was taught to punch. And i don't mean twisting the arm like the other guy mentioned i mean really DRILLING THE PUNCH into the target. He stressed that over and over to us begginers that was pretty basic for me

I'm sorry if i came across as chastising the guy, but it just sounded rather alien to me that a person that's training for a length of time could not do it and to top it off he said that "he sucked at it". I was like ...."Dang so what was he doing all the time ?"

So i guess it all boils down to the teacher that you come across huh ?

At the time I posted this thread, I had only about a year or so of training. Most of my instructors were sempais as Kyokushin is virtually nonexistent in my state. We were actually shown that by Shihan Farrell when he visited my instructor to see how he was doing.

I still don't do it perfectly, but I see guys in their dans who can't do it perfectly all the time either so if it was easy for you to pick up, you're pretty lucky.

James · 08-06-2008, 06:40 AM

OK, while i am just a beginner here, i am having trouble seeing a difference between a normal kyokushin reverse punch, and this "drilling" punch you are talking about.

Two points...

1. in kyokushin you rotate the fist near the end of the technique, right?

2. when punching, you aim to strike at least an inch into the target, otherwise no matter how hard you punch you will just give em a tap, right?

Put these two principles together, and you will get your "drilling" action...
How is this different from a normal strike?

OSU!
James

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