Foot Sweepes in Kumite

[Satori]

Define light-contact? In that case the gedan mawashi's shouldn't be a problem since they'll get called for excessive contact. How light is light, and is it only light to head or everywhere?

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Satori

Define light-contact? In that case the gedan mawashi's shouldn't be a problem since they'll get called for excessive contact. How light is light, and is it only light to head or everywhere?

You are just not allowed to knock the opponent down, if the judge sees that your hit had an effect it's an ippon, else if done properly a waza-ari. If you knock your opponent down you get disqualified.

[Satori]

Having not fought under those rules I can't give more specific advice... but up-close jodan mawashi geri's always look impressive!

[Martin H]

I use footsweeps in sparring, it is just that under competition rules it is too hard to get points for them, so there it is a waste of time.
Ofcourse, sweeping the opponent has other values than a possible wazari even in competition.
Hitting the ground and standing up again saps strength. repetedly sweeping the opponent may also work in your favor in case of a judges decision.

[blackshield]

i think it is just another great skill to have in your arsenal - a sweep doesn't even have to fully 'throw' and opponent - merely de-stabalizing him can allow for some great following shots and knockout opportunities. equally it keeps an opponent guessing whenever he steps in with a certain shot he finds himself landing on his ass... that can really mess up someones fighting style and mentality.

also, aside from tournament scenarios - you should keep in mind that a clean sweep is an excellent fighting technique... sweep someone well and hard on concrete and they ceratinly feel it.

[Paedde]

Thank you all, I talked a lot with my sensei tonight and learned a lot, I think I will ask a Judoka if he can learn me the proper Ashi Barai, the Ushiro is a bit too risky He said that I should make an Ashi Barai and bring him out of balance, then finish him with a kick or good punch

[vapor]

Amazing what you can find out when you ask your sensei!

Sounds like some good advice was given directly to you!

vapor

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by vapor

Amazing what you can find out when you ask your sensei!

Sounds like some good advice was given directly to you!

vapor

I learned a lot more today
Was one of the best trainings in my few kyokushin months



Good Night (12 p.m. here)

[Spirit]

mmm, "ask your Sensei" question ...

As for points on sweeps... AAU (AKA- WUKO), WKF (who is the organizations that the Olympics will go to for karate) are the 2 biggest {world} point tourney's. Most every point to K/D, tourney has taken their rules from the AAU (WUKO) or WKF, yes even IKO. End results are different but the basic rules are their...
I would have to say that I have competed in almost every type of tourney and everyone of them allowed F/S with an 3 second attack rule (have 3 seconds to hit your opponent once they are swept. Two things happen 3 seconds is a life time when fighting and most judges react in a second or less.
Ushiro Ashi Barai is not the only type of sweep and usually the least used & least effective {for the most part}.
Second you are not fighting just the person in the ring/mat (what ever) you are also fighting each judge/ref, be their 5 or 3 of them.
As for scoring with a Ushiro Ashi Barai, yes you can hit or kick either way score (or should score if rules state) but many judges/refs do not score it do to not used by them.
You will see this happen as you experience many type of tourney's

JUDGES:
You are fighting to understand how they see the rules and how they see each point, even if it is clearly written in a rule book I'd say 95% of the ref/ judges do not follow the rules to the written terms of the rule and don't call good points.
You will encounter different points being called or 1/2 points by different judges/refs.

The most effective sweep that I have found is an ankle check/sweep (how ever you wish to see it and call it) {inside to out or out to in}. You can hit the person faster with more techniques and you can recover from it if it does not work with easy and without putting yourself in much danger of counter attack. As in Ushiro Ashi Barai if you miss your dead meat!!!

Even if point is not given (marten cover this) it is great to beat down a bigger/ stronger even better head strong charging type fighter. Little to no effort on your part and much on theirs.


Continue to go to your best source and "Ask Your Sensei" that is why you pay them to teach you everything you need to know!!! Ask, Ask, Ask, but think before you do.

[seienchin]

Originally Posted by Paedde

I learned a lot more today
Was one of the best trainings in my few kyokushin months


Good Night (12 p.m. here)

This post made me smile.
I think that this demonstrates the true value of the forum in dealing with questions of technique - we put a lot of information in your brain so that when you did ask your Sensei, the answers probably made a lot more sense that if you had just asked cold.

So, in a way, we contributed to the part of the JapMan formula which is "but think first".

Great to hear Paedde. I hope you have fun putting it all together. And I can personally endorse going to a judoka for help with this!

[Spirit]

Originally Posted by seienchin

This post made me smile.
I think that this demonstrates the true value of the forum in dealing with questions of technique - we put a lot of information in your brain so that when you did ask your Sensei, the answers probably made a lot more sense that if you had just asked cold.

So, in a way, we contributed to the part of the JapMan formula which is "but think first".

Great to hear Paedde. I hope you have fun putting it all together. And I can personally endorse going to a judoka for help with this!

Yes that is a great example of a forum helping with a question and personally the ending to it by the person asking doing the correct thing and going to their Sensei...
Seienchin well put kudos wink, wink...

[TonySmales]

Hmm, I got nailed by one just the other night - feelin dat! yow!

[vapor]

TonySmales,

Thanks for the post (painful I am sure!)

Can you jump over to the Introductions forum, and tell us something about yourself?!

vapor

[Tettsui]

What my Sensei said about the foot sweep in tournaments is that you need to sweep your opponent multiple times to show that you are in complete control and it was not an accidental slip. After that, they will give you the waza ari. For the 100 man kumite, the rules are easier and favored towards the challenger.

As for usefulness in a tournament, it may not hurt that much but it causes frustration and can really throw off your game plan. You'll be very reluctant to do certain kicks if your opponent can do sweeps well.

[TonySmales]

do they still do the 100 man kumite?
I've yet to see anyone try it

[Bloke]

Tony

Very few people have tried but the BKK do shorter versions (i.e 20, 30, 40,50 on summer camp)

Back on Topic - Tettsui is right - even if its not scoring it may make you wary of kicking if your opponent is a good sweeper.

[Paedde]

According to our rules a foot sweep should give an waza-ari if a following technique is done while he is on the ground?

http://shinkyokushin.ch/shinkyokushi...nt_SSKA_1_.pdf
Decision Criteria 2.b)

I just researched that and will ask my sensei when I see him again, it's different from what he told to me

[Bloke]

I think the confusion may be that the followup must be immediate - the opponent can be on the ground but you must have the sweep and controlled attack almost as one.

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Bloke

I think the confusion may be that the followup must be immediate - the opponent can be on the ground but you must have the sweep and controlled attack almost as one.

But it is called a non-contact technique, so it should be possible to score with sweepes? (by the way, what counts as a non-contact technique?[stomp, punches, ...])

[Bloke]

Generally the follow up is either Oi or Gyaku Tsuki.