Gedan Mae Geri

[Tettsui]

Why doesn't Kyokushin use the mae geri to the front or inner thigh? I know Ashihara and Enshin use it to stop the mawashi geri. Is the technique illegal? I'm sure a solid mae geri to the thigh with the kakato would hurt a lot.

Osu!

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Tettsui

Why doesn't Kyokushin use the mae geri to the front or inner thigh? I know Ashihara and Enshin use it to stop the mawashi geri. Is the technique illegal? I'm sure a solid mae geri to the thigh with the kakato would hurt a lot.

Osu!

I've never seen mae-geri's used to stop jodan geris. I think you mean kansetsu-geri, anyway we don't use them (in competition) because those are usually aimed at the knee and a strike like that one directly to the joints can hurt your opponent in a non-competitive way, i.e. for life.

Also, I've never seen Enshin and Ashihara karateka using them in competition. I've only seen them use it in the dojo when demonstrating self-defense techniques.

[Kamikaze]

I use them when I can see a persons weight shift and getting ready to throw a mawashi. A mae geri aimed right above the knee of in the inner thigh will put them off balance or even push them over as they only have one leg on the ground. I also use them sometimes to the thigh if people are rushing in and I want to keep them as distance, or even just to measure range!

[shurenkan]

In Enshin Karate and Ashihara Karate, there are a few different techniques used to counter gedan, chudan, and jodan mawashi geri. I think the one you may be referring to does look a little like mae geri but isn't. That technique is known as "ashi dome" or a foot stop. As the gedan mawashi geri is coming you raise the lead leg and stop the kicking leg directly by using the bottom of your foot (or heel) and striking the thigh of the kicking leg. TIMING IS KEY!!! This technique is legal in the Sabaki Challenge. When the kicks are aimed higher as in chudan or jodan mawashi geri, then the ashidome is aimed at the abdomen. Again, it's not so much of a front kick as it is a "stiff-arm" of sorts, the way a football player stiff arms an oncoming tackler.

Kansetsu geri to the jiku ashi or supporting leg is also often used as a counter to jodan mawashi geri. That technique is done with the sokuto and is aimed at hip joint more often than the knee. When aimed at the hip, that technique is also legal I think (don't quote me on that.)

As an offensive technique, I think that a mae chusoku geri to the inner thigh, just inches above the knee is a GREAT technique. Especially when both fighters are in left foot forward fighting stance and you strike the inside of their rear leg with your rear leg. With a good snap and some forward hip motion, alot of damage can be done because of the small striking surface.

Hope that helps.

Osu,
Miguel

[Kamikaze]

Interesting, never thought of using the heel ...ooohhh using the heel to kick their kicking leg. hmmmmm
Thanks shurenkan

[Bloke]

Try using the heel when you are in close in a kind of hooking motion ie heel of right leg onto left thigh - not as a defence againsta kick - just because it hurts.

I have seen and been on the receivng end of a mae geri to the thigh in kumite and if its done right is very effective.

[Azimuth]

You stop the kick by aiming for the hips but like you said timing is the key .
Best is to use some kind of circular motion with your stopping leg so not really the
Mae Geri move

[Martin H]

Ashi dome to the opponents kicking leg is a nice technique. Hard as h*ll to pull off though with it being a fast moving target. Much easier (but same effect) to target the hip or body.
But I think even kicking the support leg it is allowed in kyokushin. The rules about legkicks only bans kicks targeting the knee-joint (maybe even only the front of the joint), doesn't it. Never really thought about it.

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by Bloke

Try using the heel when you are in close in a kind of hooking motion ie heel of right leg onto left thigh - not as a defence againsta kick - just because it hurts.

gedan soto kakato geri. I love that one and do it a LOT. It really hurts and slows down. It is not really a leg KO generator though.

[Nix]

I wanted to write a long and thorough reply to this thread, but shurenkan already made an excellent response. Have some rep! I will, however, try to elaborate:

The stopping kick can be either passive or active. Simply stretching out the leg to stop it, as shurenkan explains, is passive, resulting in the opponent dropping his leg directly in front of you. If you push the leg back, it is an active stopping, and the opponent will put down his leg behind himself. I'm not sure how useful this information is in Kyokushin, but it's handy in Ashihara and Enshin, where we do more positioning and grabbing. It is extremly hard to time it, though, so in kumite it is mostly just normal uchi/soto sune uke.

There are a dozen different gedan kicks, some more effective than others. The chusoku can be really distracting, you can even use the ashi dome as an offensive technique, though this works best while pulling the opponents gi. As for the gedan soto kakato geri, I personally feel that is far more painful than gedan mawashi geri.

[Bloke]

Gedan soto kakato geri is useful in close and if your shins are injured but as Martin said probably not gonna stop someone. But very annoying in the dojo

[Kamikaze]

Anyone have any examples of these techniques? Sounds like some stuff I can add to my arsenal.

[mcuz]

I'd personally be wary of this in tournaments - possibility for joint damage. Legitimate technique for self defense

[Nix]

Originally Posted by Bloke

Gedan soto kakato geri is useful in close and if your shins are injured but as Martin said probably not gonna stop someone. But very annoying in the dojo

I feel opposite. I'm not very good at blocking (I always hurt my shins, no matter how much I try to condition them), and not fast enough to use stopping, so I've grown used to the mawashi geri. Gedan soto kakato geri is another story, though.

Originally Posted by mcuz

I'd personally be wary of this in tournaments - possibility for joint damage. Legitimate technique for self defense

The stopping? It's aimed for the thigh, so joint damage shouldn't be much of a concern.

[Tettsui]

What I'm talking about is a straight kick (like mae geri) to the inner thigh. If both fighters are orthodox stance, you'd kick with the front leg and land your kakato on the inner thigh of their left leg. The kick is the same as the short range uchimata but done with the heel.


Short, quick, hard to block, it seems effective...I can't see any reason not to use it. Am I missing something here?

[Bloke]

I have used that kick - after it was used on me but only in the dojo. The only issue I can see is that it will be hard to be very accurate in the heat of a fight and you may get pulled up for attacking the groin or knee by accident.

[TakatomiMonsta]

One of our sempais likes to throw a kakatootoshi (axe kick?) but instead of landing on the head or collar bone he drops it right onto the thigh. It is very painful, instant dead leg.
Osu!

[Bloke]

Nice one takatomimonsta

[niceguy]

Originally Posted by TakatomiMonsta

One of our sempais likes to throw a kakatootoshi (axe kick?) but instead of landing on the head or collar bone he drops it right onto the thigh. It is very painful, instant dead leg.
Osu!

His accuracy must be spot on to do that. I am going to try it this week...sound wicked

[Tettsui]

Ok, I tried to use it but it was a lot harder than I thought. You need to be more at an angle with your opponent than normal or you'll hit the groin. I still think I can use it.