Tameshiwari

[James]

Osu Everyone!

I was wondering what techniques are used to harden your fists/hands/feet for tameshiwari?

I am particularly interested in the fist, as when i was younger I did some kickboxing and because kickboxers wear such big gloves to spar, when it came to a real barefisted fight I broke two of my knuckles.
(luckily that was the end of it, because the fighting spirit kinda left me after that!)

My fist is not completely pathetic, I can punch a bag full force barefisted, but anything harder......

Anyway, I'm really impressed with some of the tameshiwari I have seen, and would like to work on it myself. Any help is taken with gratitude!

OSU!

[Satori]

Here's an earlier thread which might answer some of your questions:
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...-training.html

[nzproud]

Originally Posted by James

Osu Everyone!

I was wondering what techniques are used to harden your fists/hands/feet for tameshiwari?

OSU!

James san. In our dojo, we have 2 small white sand bags beside the elevator next to the bigger sand bags. Use those to harden your fist and your shin.

You can also do pushups(fists) on the edge of our dojo matt(wood part).

Thanks for reminding me of this.

[seienchin]

For me, the key was makiwara training, with a traditional wooden makiwara. You might find it instructive to read the makiwara thread in the training section.

[bushido spirit]

we have got a nie knuckle hardner equipment it concests of 2 pieces of wood with a thin peice of spnge between all rapd up by leather i think its fit fot the job !!!!

[Bloke]

Bag work and seiken pushups is all I ever did.

[Shokei Marcsui]

Originally Posted by Bloke

Bag work and seiken pushups is all I ever did.

Seiken pushups are the best.

[seienchin]

Yeah - I have to say, I forget the seiken push-ups...just took for granted that that would be happening....

[Billy no mates]

You dont necessarily need a traditional makiwara you can make your own by binding a telephone directory up with gaffa tape,or in the UK playgrounds often have hanging tyres for children to swing on you can use them for seiken and shins(its usually best to do it when no ones around though so you dont scare the kids or look like a vandal) .

[James]

Originally Posted by nzproud

James san. In our dojo, we have 2 small white sand bags beside the elevator next to the bigger sand bags. Use those to harden your fist and your shin.

You can also do pushups(fists) on the edge of our dojo matt(wood part).

Thanks for reminding me of this.

Thanks nzproud, I will check them out next training.

Good luck for your grading!!

OSU!

[James]

Thanks all! I will start with the push ups right away!!

OSU!

[Bloke]

Originally Posted by Billy no mates

or in the UK playgrounds often have hanging tyres for children to swing on you can use them for seiken and shins(its usually best to do it when no ones around though so you dont scare the kids or look like a vandal) .

Yeah I have had some odd looks from people early on a Sunday morning kicking the tyres - thankfully there was a group of us.

[Billy no mates]

A group of you thats even worse...im suprised no one rang the Garda to tell them that a rough looking gang are kicking the play ground to bits....

[Bloke]

Hey who said we were rough loo....never mind!!

[Uchi Deshi]

OSU James,

In our tameshiwari sessions, we've been using mostly strapped phonebooks at our dojos.
They're cheap and they're easy to find. Practicing regularly should harden both your hands and knuckles. Remember this is a form of training to break boards... not your hands, nor your fingers, so go at your own pace and don't try to burn the steps. Patience is the key.
Series of pushups on knuckles are also very good to strenghten your thrust
and increase your resistance.
To improve my striking motion, I also do series of weight lifting in a motion similar to starting a lawn mower...
The engine still won't start though... and guys always make jokes on that... "Get a new a spark plug, it might be handy, Hey hey"...
"Deuhhh...Thank's for the tip guys, deuhhh... I really haven't tought about that"...
More experienced people also usually train on sand bag,
(sewed from old coffee bean bag material) but in the end, the sand on our old
one had turned to concrete and the piece of cloth was so ripped apart that we finally came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be a bad idea to change it...
We should get a new sand bag pretty soon. That will depend of course on how fast Shihan Andre can sew us a new one...

Want to try something a bit different in your tameshiwari training?
This a very good exercise to improve your coordination and check
if you can keep a good focus on the target using both hands.
The fact that you're either left handed or right handed makes no difference.
You'll have to practice this on BOTH sides...
Try breaking 2 separate boards positionned in a 90o degree angle simultaneously.
eg. while breaking the board in front of you with your RIGHT fist,
your LEFT fist must break the one sideway.
Then try the same thing the opposite way. Breaking the board in front
of you with your LEFT fist and breaking the one sideway with your RIGHT.

If you have a bit of problem achieving this using single boards, it means that your breaking technique might need a bit of improvement... But hey... that's what training is for... Never give up and go for it... you'll be rewarded in the end.

[Olrac]

Osu,
we also use strapped phonebooks and do knuckles push-ups

[fixi]

for a harder body, espacially limbs, there is nothing better then a hard sandbag and the makiwara.

you can also do pushups on your knuckles and jump up between the pushups. that is they way i do harden my knuckles the most.

so far
fixi