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11-21-2007, 01:08 PM
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Nangoushuujin's Tairyoku Training
Hello Everyone out there in training land.
I'm just starting wind up my training looking toward taking the black belt test in two years. Presently I'm 4th kyu (and have been for two years plus) total training time about six years at least one night a week the whole time. Life has been between two countries Australia and Japan and added a child to my life last year so training has been irregular over the last two years but now stability is returning so I'm aiming to take the black belt test within about two years. shikashi, However, the black belt test isnt something you can do without serious preparation so I'm trying to get a training routine together. At the moment Sunday AM: morning running PM: weightlifting sholders tricep traps+gardening Monday PM: Kyokushin training can be anything Tuesday PM: weightlifting chest bicep Wednesday PM: Ozzie Rules pre pre seasong training can count on about a total of 45 minutes of running with a good core muscle workout at the end +taking rubbish out Thursday PM Rest day for now family time shopping etc Friday PM: 1 hour workout 10 mins skipping, Deadlifting 50 reps 20x50kg, 10x80 kg aiming for 10x100 kg back (at the moment getting some doubles and triples going but usually single reps) finish with 10x50kg Push ups to failure usually 40-45, then 20, while supersetting with chip up, chin ups to failure usually 5-8 x 5 sets aiming for at least 25 chin ups Finishing with bag work or pad work with a partner. I love open training night for kyokushin Saturday: Another rest day at the moment but this will change in the future. Nutrients: Healthy Diet with a BCAmino Acid and joint supplement from Musashi with Zinc Magnesium supplement as well. Im doing the push ups because in my 3rd kyu test you have to do at least 50 push ups. After every kyokushin training I do as many push up as I can aiming for 50. Presently about 91-92 Kg which is too heavy for my frame. Aiming to get down to 85 kg. Hence the focus on endurace work with running rather than weights. I had too think what my body fat is at the moment might dig the body fat calipers out in a month if I can keep up this routine especially the running. Any thought or ideas feel free to comment Osu
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11-25-2007, 10:46 AM
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Just finished a 1 and a half day karate camp. Well it wasnt really a camp more like four sessions of training over 36 hours. Very interesting experience. I had opportunities to attend training camps before but the situation was never ideal.
Really enjoyed it. Did lots of self defence & kata, and self defence applications of kata. Had lots of opportunities to ask questions about specific tecniques in individual kata was very beneficial. It was surprisingly demanding just doing four karate warm ups for each session. As you can imagine I didnt do my usual running this morning. But I did do my deadlifting routine Friday night. Got the 100kg deadlifts off the ground OK. Mostly double reps finished off with a a couple of triples. It is amazing how light 50kg feels after deadlifting 100kg. I also did the normal push up & chin up superset and then added some one arm snatches from the ground. I've always enjoyed this technique. It requires concentration and coordination of your whole body to get the barbell moving off the ground. This week should be interesting. Approaching the san kyu test got to do 50 knuckle push ups and twenty on my fingers 50 situps and 50 squats. I can just about do 50 push ups in a row now I've been training this by doing push up after every session to failure and then going down in sets by 5 reps. Usually 40-45, 20, 15, 10, 5 (total 90-95) while supersetting chin ups sometimes. I've got a few more session to get stronger. Might go and try those push ups now. Osu
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To Learn is to Change Last edited by nangoushuujin; 11-25-2007 at 10:48 AM.
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11-25-2007, 01:09 PM
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I'm wondering ( out loud ) if it has taken you 6 years to get to 4th kyu (even with all the distractions in your life) how do you see yourself going for shodan in 2?
Also is it not invitation to the shodan testing are you assuming to be asked or have you already been told by your Sensei that you will be ready in 2 years? Need more info?!!? The fact that you seem to be putting so much effort into the physical training of the test I could only wonder if you are mental ready or balanced for Shodan? Giving you experienced understanding (being on both sides of the testing) it seems you are putting way to much time into weights, running etc and no where near as much {Needed} time into Kihons, Kata, and Kumite... since you only train 1 Day week at the dojo. Your off days would be best well served doing Kata, mirror training (Kihons, kicks and the like) and a bit of weights, running... I have personally flunked several well fit ikkyu who physically past the test with flying colors, yet failed the basic fundamentals of the "Karate Test"!!!!!!!
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11-25-2007, 06:38 PM
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There is nothing wrong with having 2 rest days in your schedule ,
If you train seriously enough you need these 2 days for recuperation . I would say to keep these 2 days whatever your schedule may look like after any adaptations of your actual one .
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11-27-2007, 11:11 AM
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Some really good comments thankyou very much. I guess I forgot to mention that I'll cycle the training. It will vary between what I'll call foundation work like I'm doing now and then change to other types of training. I rarely really lift for more than three months in a row and then I'll rest for a month. During this month I will increase my basics training. I guess six years is a long time for 4th kyu ive failed a couple of test along the way change organisations once so Ive had some impediments apart from life gettting in the way, changing countries, jobs, having families. I guess I should rephrase I want to take two years to get myself into the shape when I can start to think about taking the black belt test. But if I plan it in a little more detail. 3rd kyu(hopefully Dec 07) 2nd kyu(Sept/Dec 08) Stop Aussie Rules only Karate training 1st kyu(Sept/Dec 09) Here is the two years I'm thinking about If I get to 1st kyu by Sept/Dec 09 I'll consider that two years well spent. To be honest I havent discussed my intention to take shodan test in two years with my sensei. At the moment I'm learning the kata saifa have been practicing garyu at training with black belts as they go for their ni dan and san dan tests. My sensei challenges us to reach new levels with our karate and I really respect this. I just want to increase my intensity of training to put myself in a position where I can challenge for shodan in that two year period. At the moment I feel Im a little overweight so having a focus on running/endurance should address this situation. lost a couple of kilos looking to break 90kg barrier soon. Once I get down to 85 things might change again. I've always loved lifting weights so I do it. I guess I didnt put into the plan rounds of bagwork I do when I get home from work or a light nights training plus the kata and kihon work I do in my lounge room. Perhaps I should schedule that into my training regime too. That reminds me I'd better get back into my core training!!! Sensei Mark Thank you for your comments I hope you didnt take the impression that I was taking the shodan test too lightly I'm just at the infancy stages of planning to train for it. By the way, my wife and I are thinking of having another child next year so well things might change.  But as the situations stands I'll get on with it and let life take care of itself. Osu
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11-27-2007, 11:16 AM
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Thank you for your response. I agree rest time is very important. Rest time equals family time. Family time is the greatest rest time. Although my baby daughter -18 months- loves to dance so I often come home and dance with her for 20 minutes. pretty funny stuff. She can jump, spin, kind of step around, clap her hands and other cute funny stuff.  In the future when I've increased the intensity of my training I'll try and keep those two rest days. Sometime I might increase I'll listen to how I feel. Osu
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11-27-2007, 11:26 AM
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Tonight I mowed the lawn and then did some bench presses, one arm rows and bicep curls.
bench presses: 4x 20 reps, 30-35 kg one arm rows: 4x 12 20-25kg bicep curls: 14x6-8 reps 10kg I should have done some bagwork too, but I did 5x2 min rounds after karate training last night. Karate training was an intensive kata night. we practiced all these kata pinan 1,2,3,4,5 sokugi 1,2,3,4 taikyoku 1,2,3 and in ura san chin tsukino yantsu gekisai dai gekisai sho jyuji jyujyu tensho saifa At this point I asked my teacher if I could practice some kata with the yellow belts so I could focus on some kata I need for my test. He probably would have kept me going to garyu and shion kata. Which is a good challenge but I need to practice for my test. myself and three other student took turns practicing, observing, offering feedback and discussing intracacies of the kata as well as purpose and bunkai. it was an extremely beneficial session for me. Osu
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11-27-2007, 12:39 PM
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Your learning or know that many yudansha kata's at 4th kyu, and only train 1 day a week?
Not to question you or your Sensei but .... Something just doesn't sit right with me on this. At best you should be learning Pinan yon and Sanchin! How is it you know so many advanced kata and still only 4th kyu, what is the kata syllabus breakdown at your dojo, I'm very curious to know. It seems either you are a very quick study (but then you would not have failed testing before as you stated) or your learning way to many kata's to soon without any true understanding of them OR did you train in another style before Kyokushin and hold rank? Please give us some info on this
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11-27-2007, 01:26 PM
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just a thought.....
1 visit to the dojo a week= you remain the same standard 2 visits= slow improvement 3 visits= the required improvement....everybody is different and people improve at different speeds, i needed between 3-5 times a week !! stamina training is important away from the dojo, i don`t want to steal spirit`s thunder but i do recommend you spend more time in the dojo on the basics and less time with the weight. in my opinion weights can hinder progress,with a reasonable teacher you should grow stronger within the syllabus--i.e kihon in sanchin stance is designed to strengthen legs etc. etc. perhaps other people would like to offer there comments on this ? i only offer this as an opinion and wish you well 
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11-27-2007, 02:14 PM
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I agree with Spirit and Hasbeen... oh dear.. the old fogies club is ganging up!Karate is the best training for karate. Weights training is not without risk in karate, because ifyou have at tendency to bulk up, it can make you cumbersome, and lose speed. Why are you doing weights? There are some good reasons to do weights, but I think you need to have a reason, and a well-designed program to meet specific needs. 3rd kyu is about consolidating the critical blending of the skills of red/orange belt, blue and yellow. it is a bridge between junior and senior grades. Stamina is more important than strength at this level, but as Spirit has said, a sound UNDERSTANDING of what you are doing is more important than doing lots of advanced stuff (but it depends on what your sensei looks for in gradings, of course). Bagwork is critical at greenbelt level, to overcome dependence on preferred limbs (arms/legs/right/left). Developing symmetry, flow, power and speed. Nutrition is also important at 3rd kyu. This is when the kyokushin karateka starts to train and eat and live at the level of the elite sportsperson in other disciplines. Intense, focussed kata training is great for building strength too. I think from the timetable you have posted that you will be taking your 1st kyu in 2 years, not your shodan. Maybe shodan in 3 or 4 years. There is no rush. Better to be a fantastic 1st kyu and ready for your shodan, than rush it. Good luck.
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12-01-2007, 08:05 AM
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Started Kyokushin in April 01 I've been a member of IKO Midori: left because I was dissatisfied with the teacher not organisation I got to ao obi which is 6th kyu from memory. Joined around April 02 Joined IKO Matsui excellent teacher good opportunities to train at different (sometimes I was training for five days a week for months on end), compete in tournaments and grade. Had to stay on the same kyu for about six months then went for the same grade I was already on because of differences in kata, ido geiko etc for tests That was 6th kyu I believe I guess the change in organisation cost me chances to grade twice but Iv'e always thought it gave me a chance to improve my kihon to a higher standard. Stayed with this group until the present kyu grade which I got in April 05 could have gone for my san kyu in Nov 05 but didnt think I was ready and had failed 4th kyu in Dec 04 so wasnt keen unless I felt 100% ready. At this time I was practicing pinan yon, pinan go and gekisai dai for this test. Wasnt tested for these kata in this organisation. but my teacher at the time told me I was ready for the test. Left japan in Jan 06 Arrived back in Goushuu in Jan 05 started training with IKO Sosai. Training was gruelling. Could end up doing 1000 repititions of maegeri and/or mawashigeri in a training session. Didnt take a test but the teacher was training for me with all the pinan kata, all the pinan kata in ura, plus gekisai dai and sho. In case I got ready to take a test. At this time I was practicing kata with a 1st kyu who was going for his shodan so I think that is why we did so much of the kata in ura. Got a job in Southeast Australia (nandogoushuu) in Jan 07 moved starting training with IKO Matsushima didnt even think about taking a test. Discovered 3rd kyu consisted of pinan san plus gekisai dai and sho. Surprised but happy. These kata Im fairly comfortable with. As I have been training in them for over a year and I performed pinan san for my 4th kyu grading. Although the leg movements toward the end of this kata I stuffed in a previous 4th kyu test. IKO Matsushima has 2nd kyu of yantsu of pinan yon. I wouldnt consider myslef a quick study more of a very very slow study. In this dojo all students practice kata together and we start from the taikyoku kata normal, ura and tate and work our way up, same for pinan kata's, the tate part is very tricky for pinan san. I'd guess the only new kata i've learnt this year are tensho,jyuji and jyujyu kata, and renraku 1,2,3 plus a variation of sokugi taikyou yon (where you do mawashi geri on the end of the T and ushiro mawashigeri up the middle from zenkutsudachi) and starting to practice saifa and garyu. I think the saifa and garyu is more because Im the only 4th kyu so i practice with the yudansha. The other day we did sanchin combined with tensho which I thought was fascinating. All the different organisations have different kata syllabus toward black belt but for the shodan test they all seem to be similar. I dont think I'm in a postion to comment on the why of the differences. This organisation does have a huge emphasis on bunkai applications. Not so much in Japan with IKO Matsui/IKO Midori. I guess sometimes you end up learning higher kata becuase of the numbers in the dojo if you are the only 4th kyu you train with the 2nd and 1st kyus. Some people would feel like all the questions are a bit challenging but I guess the circumstances of my training experiences have led me to this position. Oh almost forgot I trained as chinese/kick/thaiboxer six days a week sometimes two sessions a day for about two years. I think this has always helped my training and fighting ability. IKO Matsui group does sanchin for its 5th kyu test. I hope this information explains the situation a little better. I feel that I'm as ready as Im every going to be for my sankyu test tomorrow. It is going to be tough. But it is a test after all!!! Osu
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To Learn is to Change Last edited by nangoushuujin; 12-01-2007 at 09:27 AM.
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12-01-2007, 09:42 AM
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Thank you for your interest. I will make a few changes in the future. I train in kyokushin for many reasons I guess my main reasons is because I enjoy the training. But I've always enjoyed weight training too. I dont like to quote SOSAI but his attitude to training was if you hit them you broke them, if they hit you they hurt their hand. This to me leads to the conclusion that training in kyokushin is whole training. And you have to be prepared to be fit, strong and technically correct. At the moment this is the order I place those three in. Perhaps if I was going for my black belt test I'd have more of a symmetry between those three rather than ranking. I dont doubt that kihon makes you stronger. Sanchin is a very strong stance. I actually run through sanchin a few time when I'm deadlifting because the tension you produce in your power centre that space between your belly button must be utilised when you practice sanchin and when you deadlift, or really do any physical activity or any kyokushin technqiue. I guess my point is that all training is training. Plus Im the sort of person who doesnt chat much during training unless I'm discussing a technique or kata. The dojo is the only place I have access to a full length mirror, so Im constantly practicing technique, stances and kata while in training. ive discovered there is always a few minutes before after class where I can practice kihon. My teacher has commented on this to me and in front of the whole class as a positive. So I guess I do the kihon training without making a big deal out of it or having the structure. My moto for a long time was first in the dojo last out. Osu
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12-01-2007, 09:59 AM
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 I'm actually lifting weights to lost weight. Not too bulk up. Weightlifting is the most misunderstood process in the community. We think of weightlifting and we thing of Ronnie Coleman five times Mr Olympia. Yes, weightlifting can take you in that direction if you want it too. I'm sure Big Al would support me when I say there is no better power training than lifting weight in an Olympic style. OK plyometrics have their place too. never been a big fan but I'll do a months worth once a year. It's not the weight you lift but how you lift the weight There is an excellent book out there called the Encyclopedia of Olympic Weightlifting. This book will explain many of the processes that take place when you shift your mindset from weightlifting to Olympic Weightlifting. recently I've been doing some one arm snatches from the ground only about 5kg but technically such a whole body movement, extremely explosive. It is the technique that gets the weight off the ground not the strength you have. I guess to answer your question: My need to lift weight while I train in karate is part physical. Deadlifting is a whole body exercise that strengthens the whole body i can resist more punishment when my body is strong than when it is weak. With weight lifting it is much easier to set and achieve goals. In karate your goal might be to perfect mawashigeri, mine has been for about five years, I think I'll keep practicing it too without ever being perfect. however with weightlifting I can say I'm going to lift 120kg for two singles in the deadlift and do it. Goal achieved! I do five by 2 minute rounds of bag work probably three times a week. I know it isnt much but it is a start. The kumite part of the test is going to be tough tommorrow there are about six black belts going for their test and not that many people to fight with. Might end up doing ten plus rounds.
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12-01-2007, 10:30 AM
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I just like to thank three obviously yudansha for taking the time to giveme some advice and insight into my training as I approach my senior kyu tests.
I think it is really good advice and has produced some changes. I think I'll start going along to the Saturday morning classes as well. This is two hours of childrens class so it should have a very strong focus on kihon and idogeiko. i'll start next Satuday and see how it goes. Oh yeah the only other thing i want to note is that I did my usual deadlifting on Friday, but managed two singles of 120 kg after 2x5 reps at 100kg. This was preceded by five minutes of skipping and followed by maybe a total of 90 push ups: reps to failure 40, 30 20 and total of 25 reps of chin ups. I think I might add some abb work to this soon. I also went through all the pin an kata while doing some sanchin kata and ibuki for breaks with the deadlifting. I also did 5x2 min rounds of bagwork and five minutes of stretching. With a little mirror work on my shizentaitachi: sometjhing I've been examing alot lately. Focusing on keeping my elbows in and one hand in front of the other with my left/right extended out a shoulder length resting on centreline. It is amazing how much you squash into an hour if you try. Osu
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12-01-2007, 10:41 AM
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All this discussion of kihon v weight training has reminded me that I struggle with ushirogeri as a technique. Both practiced as a back kick in kihon and with a spin in idogeiko.
Ive never been able to resolve the fact that your shoulders shouldnt move too much with the need to be looking at the target. you also shouldnt scoop. your knee should raise to the front and then foot goes straight back with your knee to the side. As they say I'll keep practicing. Osu
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12-02-2007, 12:51 PM
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Well I past my 3rd kyu test.
It was a very hot and humid day. Some of the yudansha really had trouble with the heat. Mind you they didnt have a break and it seemed the kata they had to perform was endless. I think they finished with sushiho and they performed an interesting kata with the bo called shion kata. Everyone did all the kata up to a couple beyond their grade. I did lots of kihon lots of idogeiko There is always some idogeiko the sensei's spring on you you've never seen before. Doent matter if it is Australia or Japan!  Interestingly, the teacher asked us to close our eyes he called out a stance and we had to perform it, except it was difficult to understand the Japanese Taikyoku 1,2,3 Pinan 1,2,3,4,5 sokugi 1,2,3,4 (with a count this was my last kata) tsukino sanchin jyuji yantsu all the kata were down with a count then in gorei hajime. This was new to me. And made a long day longer. In Japan you never got a warm up. You got one change and that was it!!! 50 push ups 100 sit ups 50 squats (not too much trouble Ive been training explicitly for this part of the test and I remember for my 10th kyu test in Ustsunomiya with IKO Midori I had to do 50 push ups 100 squats and 50 sit ups) because there were many yudansha testing the kyu grade ended up having plenty of rest time. I think I ended up doing maybe eight rounds of sparring. i used a few do mawashi every now and again to keep people on their toes. Diffinitely need to improve my fighting fitness as I challenge for the higher kyu grades That was that the certificates were given out at the end of the test which was a nice touch. All up a good day. My legs and arms are bruised and battered! but I passed and I'm still standing. Osu
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12-02-2007, 02:01 PM
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